Friday, 10 October 2008

Dodgy, or Just Awesome?

Olympic 200m champion Veronica Campbell-Brown had some interesting words to say recently on the subject of female athletics world records.

She said: "The men enjoy all the glamour because they're capable of breaking world records. Women don't have that luxury."

It’s an interesting point. Here are the current women’s track and field world records, with the date set, and time the record has stood:


100m: 10.49; 1988 (20 years)
200m: 21.34; 1988 (20 years)
400m: 47.60; 1985 (23 years)
800m: 1:53.28; 1983 (25 years)
1,500m: 3:50.46; 1993 (15 years)
5,000m: 14:11.15; 2008 (< 1 year)
10,000m: 29:31.78; 1993 (15 years)
3,000m steeplechase: 8:58.81; 2008 (< 1 year)
100m hurdles: 12.21; 1988 (20 years)
400m hurdles: 52.34; 2003 (5 years)
High jump: 2.09m; 1987 (21 years)
Pole vault: 5.05m; 2008 (< 1 year)
Long jump: 7.52m; 1988 (20 years)
Triple jump: 15.50m; 1995 (13 years)
Shot put: 22.63m; 1987 (21 years)
Discus: 76.80m; 1988 (20 years)
Hammer throw: 77.80m; 2006 (2 years)
[Although, according to Wiki, the person who set this mark is currently serving a suspension, and has had a further world record (78.61m) disqualified.]
Javelin: 72.28m; 2008 (< 1 year)
[This record relates to the new specification of the javelin following the 1999 change in the center of gravity – the previous record under the old specification (80.00m) was set 20 years ago in 1988.]
Heptathlon: 7,291 points; 1988 (20 years)
4x100m relay: 41.37; 1985 (23 years)
4x400m relay: 3:15.17; 1988 (20 years)

Of the more recent of these records, three (5,000m, 3,000m steeplechase, and Pole Vault) are in events that have only relatively recently become part of the women’s programme, and another (400m hurdles) has been an Olympic event only since 1984. The world records in the vast majority of the long-standing Olympic events have stood for over two decades, and in most cases have never really been threatened. Campbell-Brown is a double Olympic champion at the 200m, yet her personal best at the distance is 21.74, over a third of second (an age in sprinting terms) slower than a 20-year-old world record

By contrast, only the discus and hammer records have stood since the 1980s in the men’s events, and eight records have been set this century (four of them this year).

What in the merry blazes is going on?

Given the revelations about doping that followed the collapse of the former East Germany, there have occasionally been calls for certain world records to be “reset”, or for there to be a some sort of additional secondary world record, though it is difficult to see how this would work (even though some of the doubts, it must be admitted, are not entirely without foundation) especially since far from all of these records are held by athletes from the former GDR, and to retrospectively cast doubts on the achievements of competitors who never failed a drugs test, doesn’t seem, well, particularly sporting. (The closest athletics has yet come to anything like this is for completely different reasons: due to questions over the wind speed reading, the 100m record is now annotated by the Association of Track and Field Statisticians as: "probably strongly wind-assisted, but recognised as a world record".)

In any case, though, are these records necessarily dodgy? Might there instead have been an unprecedented flourishing of talent in the 80s? It is not without precedent for records to stand for this long. To pick the achievements of just two stout and unimpeachable servants of athletics from my own corner of the world, Sebastian Coe’s quite remarkable 1981 world record for the 800m stood for 16 years, and to this day only one person has ever run faster, and Kathy Cook retired from athletics in 1986, and still holds the UK records for the 200m and 400m.

To switch sports, Don Bradman played Test cricket between 1928 and 1948, averaging 99.94. The next best (for a minimum of 20 innings) is Mike Hussey’s much inferior (relatively) 70.60, and he has currently only played half as many matches as the Don did…

(Of course, there is more than just talent going on. Though the Don played before advances in bat design, covered pitches, and so on, he also played before advances in preparation, and the availability of video footage of players’ entire careers to base bowling plans and field placing strategies on.)

Still, sometimes people are just ahead of their time, or quite absurdly outside the norm (in all sorts of fields, not just sport) – and with the amount of sport that goes on nowadays, might we expect to sometimes come across these once in a generation or once in a lifetime talents that mere mortals take years or decades to catch up to?

I suspect many will (quite possibly rightly) suggest I’m being a bit naïve, and a hopeless sporting romantic here (O my Hornby and my Barlow long ago! &c.) and I have to say, I’ve been as disappointed as anyone at the doping scandals in various sports that have surfaced in recent years; and yet, I really like sport, and, in my rosier (or rose-tinted) moments, I still think it’s sometimes nice to cling to the hope that it may not be quite as broken as it often seems to be...

10 comments:

Lee said...

I didn't know that about women records...

Interesting... I am tipping drugs as the reason for some of them but I could not tell you which and that is the problem.


Maybe the women should just try harder :)

Lee

Rune said...

Pretty interesting Mark,

Flo-Jo's 100m record is "interesting." I haven't had a look at the others, but I am another jaded sports fan that says drugs.

Could be altitude for some, different rules for what's acceptable - wind assistance, track surface, springy pole etc.

Too may women today are obsessed with drinking low fat water etc.
Maybe they are just not up to it.

I'm actually for separate competitions for drug assisted athletics. I'd watch that.

Ben Johnson was on drugs for years, it was just that no-one could catch him. ;)

Billy said...

Does anyone know how drug use compares between men and women athletes?

Do women have equal funding opportunities too?

Mark_W said...

Evening, chaps.

Yes, I must admit I was in a slightly maudlin and elegiac mood when I wrote this, and I fear that I do tend to lean towards the view that some sort of dodginess has ensued here. Certainly, in the case of East German performances, the work of Werner Franke and others have suggested it’s not actually ridiculous to assume this…

Rune,

Altitude and wind assistance are interesting ones. (As you suggest, the key “interestingness” about Flo-Jo’s 100m record is that there was a gale force tail-wind registered behind the sprinters for most of that day, and yet the gauge registered total calm for her record-breaking run...)

Calculations on the benefit of a following wind suggest that (rather roughly) each 1 meter per second of following wind will be worth about 0.06 off the time (in the 100m). I don’t have up-to-date figures immediately to hand here, but to take some couple-of-year old figures from Eastaway and Haigh's Beating The Odds,in the days when the 100m world record for men was 9.77 secs (achieved by Asafa Powell with a following wind of 1 m/sec), Maurice Greene had a time of 9.79 secs with a beneficial wind of only 0.2 m/sec, (and Greene had also run a time of 9.82 against a headwind of 0.2 m/sec.)

Adjusting these times according to the rule of thumb above, so that they are, as it were, “dead calm” times, Greene’s 9.79 is worth 9.80, while Powell’s record 9.77 is worth only 9.83. This is all very rough and ready, and in any case this takes no account of altitude. For example Xiang Liu once ran the 110m hurdles in 12.88 secs with a following wind of 1.1 m/sec, while Colin Jackson once ran 12.97 against a wind of 1.6 m/sec. However, while Jackson’s run might seem more impressive, it was in Siestriere, way up in the Italian Alps…

The Ben Johnson example is an interesting one, too. Twenty years ago, he ran 9.79 for the 100m at the Seoul Olympics, a time that was of course later disqualified. However, just in the last three years, in these days of out-of-competition testing etc. etc., there have been at least 10 runs quicker than this illegal time of 9.79.

On the other hand, even if we ignore Flo-Jo’s 10.49 and take her next best, unquestionable sound, time of 10.61 (again from 20 years ago), the only person who has ever got even within a tenth of a second of this is the now disgraced Marion Jones...

And, as you rightly suggest, advances in the technology of track surface construction etc. ought, you would think, make it rarer that records last this long…

Billy,

Does anyone know how drug use compares between men and women athletes?

This is of course a key question when looking at the status of these records. I’ve started looking into this with an eye on a follow up post, but haven’t got very far yet. As a starter for ten, Wiki has an (incomplete) list of sportspeople who have been involved in doping offences. It has 900-odd names in it, of which, having only scanned through it very quickly so far, round about a quarter seem to be women. Of course, the list isn’t limited to athletics, and includes footballers or cricketers who have admitted using cocaine, those who have missed out-of-season tests, and so have not definitively been shown ever to have taken anything, and so on. And you’re right, a list of this nature will be biased towards men, since sports like football, cricket, baseball, etc. etc. are, at least in terms of money, sponsorship, viewing figures, awareness etc. basically male sports. (I think I read somewhere once that in sports that both men and women competed in, there were only two where the women’s version attracted more interest [and therefore money from TV, newspaper coverage, paying spectators at events &c]: gymnastics and ice skating…)

To get back to athletics records for a moment, a really interesting one is the high jump, where the women’s record has stood for 21 years, and the men’s for 15, but I’ll have to come back to this….

Mark_W

Billy said...

It would be interesting to compare estimates of drug use with decade. I know there were some stories of russion trainers getting gymnasts pregnant to improve their performance. I think Liz McColgan broke a marathon record after dropping a sprog - women produce more erythropoietin during pregnancy - hence more red blood cells. As an aside, I was rather disappointed at the poor effect being at altitude had on my physical performance afterwards.

Talking of altitude, this is a cool video of the last few steps to the summit of everest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7tDlZBs07c

It was part of a study to test how the body adapts to hypoxia.

Mark_W said...

Billy,

Absolutely, one of the reasons some of the records set in the 1980s seem "dodgy" today is that this was the last era before the introduction of out of competition drug testing, rather than just tests during competitions...

The effect of different physiologies that you mention is an interesting one too...Hmm, trip to the library required here, I feel!

And you're right, altitude is only great if you're a sprinter, and thus only required to put some effort in for 10 seconds! :-)

Mark_W

Billy said...

Interestingly, on everest, climbers have less oxygen in their blood than people who would be dead in intensive care. I recently read a paper on a drug called AICAR that improves endurance and makes fat people lose weight and experess similar genes to athletes.

It activates a protein called AMP activated protein kinase. It is an enzyme that is sensitive to cellular energy levels. I may write about it when I have time.

Mark_W said...

Billy,

Interestingly, on Everest, climbers have less oxygen in their blood than people who would be dead in intensive care.

That's mad, in an interesting way...It reminds me [tangent warning!] in a vaguely relevant fashion, of something I once read about the comparatively large number of doping scandals in the Tour de France being due to the fact that, compared with any other sporting discipline, the Tour is so ludicrously hard that, in a sense, to attempt it without artificial aids is somewhat insane...

It also seems [tangent to the tangent warning!] reminiscent of a TV documentary I think I once saw where various Olympic athletes were told to follow 2-4 year old toddlers around and do exactly what they did for a whole day. Without exception, the toddlers had more staying power...

As a parent, this rings true to me, though of course toddlers tend, for purely practical reasons, to have more sleep than their parents, and, of course, they are blessedly free of any mental worries that can sap the energy of adults, but even so, where do they get the energy from?!?!...

Mark_W

Lee said...

... but even so, where do they get the energy from?!?!...

Bananas... I made a mistake once and allowed my son to have a banana before bedtime - he was still running around 90 mins past bedtime - never again.

Lee

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